House on Fire
Mar. 25th, 2009 09:08 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
severity_softlyFUCK FUCK FUCK I FUCKING HATE FIRE EPISODES. THEY SCARE THE FUCKING PISS OUT OF ME!
Have I ever mentioned my biggest irrational fear in regards to my own death is that I'll die by fire or suffocation? *CRINGES AT TV*
*ahem* Okay, after my initial freak out... Mmm, incest. *giggles*
So, okay, there wasn't TOO much that made me freak out. I thought the episode was pretty solid. Not fabulous, but good. :D Hotch really does tend to react more strongly to fire episodes. I'd like to think there's a reason, because it's been consistent, but I wonder if there is, and if we'll ever know it.
As Innerslytheirn pointed out, there was Hotch in casual clothes and several Rossi ass shots. Mmmm... There was also Morgan seemingly not wearing a shirt under his sweater at the beginning, and Reid in a sweater vest with pretty hair. The men were very lovely tonight.
*cough*
There were... way too many shots of Garcia in slow motion looking worried. I got it the first 12 times. But it was nice to see her in a more integral part this episode. The ending was wonderful, though. I love that Hotch went to her. I would have liked it if he'd at least touched her, squeezed her shoulder or something. He's a tactile person, and she really needed it.
I think the ending is worthy of Hotch/Garcia-ness. Or maybe I just want to eventually put everyone in bed with everyone else.
I liked it, even if the fire scenes freaked me the hell out. It still wasn't nearly as bad as that opening scene in Ashes to Dust.
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Date: 2009-03-26 02:24 am (UTC)I still agree that he should have hugged her. I just understand why he may not have.
Also, if he thought she was upset at him, and he is accustomed to women *coughHaleycough* that are upset at him not wanting contact, then it is likely that his instincts to hug upset friend were overridden by his instincts of not wanting to get injured by pissed off woman.
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Date: 2009-03-26 02:30 am (UTC)Though I wanted him to touch her shoulder or something, I didn't think he should have hugged her, and I couldn't pinpoint why until you said that. I think he would have thought that was inappropriate. It the whole sexual harrassment training thing, and Hotch wanting to be a good man and a good boss. He might feel that women would take it differently, or even man might look at it differently if he hugged one of the women. And he'd probably be right.
Also, yes, the Haley thing, and I'm not entirely sure he trusted his own mother, but that's speculation at this point.
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:35 am (UTC)Clearly Hotch is a closet gay. *G*
Also, OMG I didn't even think of that re: Haley. *sigh* Poor Hotch.
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:42 am (UTC)CLEARLY.
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Date: 2009-03-27 07:25 pm (UTC)Except when he's trying too hard not to look at Prentiss.
Seriously, this fandom has way too many Little Black Dresses (Rossi, Reid, Hotch). Or maybe just the right amount. *ponders*
DragonLady
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Date: 2009-03-27 08:26 pm (UTC)LOL! I could ship him with every girl in the fandom BUT Prentiss. And I'll ship her with any of the boys but him. ;) Well, current canon considered only. I sort can't stand Gideon. :P
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Date: 2009-03-28 09:35 am (UTC)If fandom meta isn't your kink, stop reading here. ^^;; I know a lot of people are bored to tears by it, don't like it, or find the whole idea offensive. It's your journal, I'm not here to bring stress to your life, so if fandom meta isn't your thing, I'm sorry.
You're a Hotch/Reid shipper, so I kinda figured that was what you'd say.
In a strictly non-personal-attacking statistical catagory sense, I've noticed the H/R shipper response to Hotch/Prentiss exends on the spectrum from "WTF?" to "DIE YOU PINKO COMMIE BASTARDS." I don't know anyone who ships both Hotch/Reid and Hotch/Prentiss. (Siggen reading my Hotch/Prentiss because I'm the one who wrote it doesn't count; her response is still WTF, but she humors me out of personal attachment.)
I'm at a loss for an explanation for the phenomenon.
It's not like the ships are in competition with each other, like Grissom/Sara and Grissom/Willows in CSI. There are no trolls or mutually exclusive canon "confirmation" to be getting the party started. H/P shippers don't have a catagorical dislike of Hotch/Reid separate from other slash pairings for the H/R shippers to be responding to. It isn't just character hate, either, since many of the H/R shippers who don't like H/P also like Prentiss (like you). As far as fandom causes, there really aren't any.
That leaves a canon cause. Could it be perhaps that there is something about the Hotch/Reid dynamic in the show that draws people who dislike Hotch/Prentiss, or something about the Hotch/Prentiss dynamic in the show that H/R shippers can't see or are actively pissed-off by? What would that element be, I wonder, since both pairings are entirely canon-unintentional subtext?
Of course, there's also a paradoxial element to the question. I know that one of the reasons I stopped shipping H/R as well as H/P was because I got tired of being around the H/R dislike and/or disgust with H/P (the other reason was Poor Suffering Reid fic, and the lack of Poor Suffering Reid fic is what's keeping me lodged firmly and proudly in the Rossi/Reid ship). If I "chose a side," is it possible then that there isn't an overlap because others have felt the need to pick one ship and forswear the other to fit in with the shippers who had already established themselves?
Like I said, fandom meta isn't everyone's kink. If it's not yours, please ignore the post. ^^
DragonLady
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Date: 2009-03-29 01:39 am (UTC)Don't mind me - I'm just butting in :d lol
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Date: 2009-03-29 02:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-31 02:35 am (UTC)DragonLady
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Date: 2009-03-29 02:40 pm (UTC)You're a Hotch/Reid shipper, so I kinda figured that was what you'd say.
Well, I wouldn't so much categorize myself as "a Hotch/Reid shipper". I'm sort of equal opportunity. I get what you're saying, that I DO ship them AND dislike H/P, but I can count the ships I don't like on one hand, so the ones I don't like, I generally have a reason. I wouldn't say it's defined by the fact that I like any other ship.
Now that you've mentioned it, though, you're absolutely right. I hadn't noticed it before, but I can't think of a single person I know who ships Hotch/Reid that actually likes Hotch/Prentiss.
It's not like the ships are in competition with each other
When I was in Harry Potter fandom, the only ship I actively disliked on a regular basis was one that did actually have canon conflicts with my OTP, in addition to the fact that some of the fandom involved in the two ships shared pretty much an equal animosity towards each other. Canon conflicts isn't the problem here, as you said.
I can't really speak to that phenomena of H/P shippers being fine with H/R, but not the other way around, though. I wouldn't say I "actively" dislike H/P, aside from being honest that I don't if it comes up. I have at least one active H/Per on my flist (who I adore), and several others that ship them peripherally. I don't go out of my way to discredit them, because I technically can't discredit them any more or less than they can discredit any of my ships. I wouldn't even say my dislike of the pairing even goes so far as the "WTF?" reaction. I don't like them together, but I can see on the surface why people want to put them together. I think they are very similar in a lot of ways. When I dig deeper, though, they just plain don't do anything for each other to me, as characters. I would explain, but I'm never sure how people will take it.
Could it be perhaps that there is something about the Hotch/Reid dynamic in the show that draws people who dislike Hotch/Prentiss, or something about the Hotch/Prentiss dynamic in the show that H/R shippers can't see or are actively pissed-off by?
I would say, in my case, that part of the reason lies in something in the differing dynamics between the pairings. But it's the same dynamics that draws me to ship anyone with Hotch over Prentiss, or anyone with Prentiss over Hotch, for that matter. It's a canon reason, I suppose, but in the sense of characterization, instead of plot driven canon, though.
If I "chose a side," is it possible then that there isn't an overlap because others have felt the need to pick one ship and forswear the other to fit in with the shippers who had already established themselves?
I don't I know anyone on my own flist who's chosen to dislikes H/P just because they want to fit in with other H/R shippers (though I think I have a couple of the original
gangstasH/R-shippers-who-hate/dislike-H/P around). I haven't. My co-writer hasn't. I have another person on the flist who is a H/R OTPer who supports H/P and who has drabbled them for H/P shippers on her flist before. Then again, maybe us three just like to be contrary. ;)Also to be considered, in my case, I think, is that my flist is pretty small because I discuss a lot of personal things here. I don't like ship wars. I HATE wank, and generally avoid keeping wanky people around. I generally don't participate in it ever unless I feel like people are being unfairly treated. I guess the point here is that it's very possible I just don't SEE the H/R shippers who seek to form some sort of bizarre alliance against other ships.
I guess none of that above is very helpful in actually answering the 'why' question, huh? I can't explain it at all, because I don't understand it. Why H/R shippers actively dislike H/P doesn't make sense to me. I don't include myself in that category, since I'm a multi-shipper, and no single canon ship defines my relationship with other ships, though I'm sure some people would argue that I should include myself in that category anyway.
I'm babbling without a point now. I'll shut up. ;)
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Date: 2009-03-31 03:20 am (UTC)gangstasThis made me laugh so hard I can't even tell you.
Why H/R shippers actively dislike H/P doesn't make sense to me. I don't include myself in that category, since I'm a multi-shipper, and no single canon ship defines my relationship with other ships, though I'm sure some people would argue that I should include myself in that category anyway.
But you do like H/R and you dislike H/P. There's a correlation between the two behaviors whether you call yourself a shipper or not. ^^
Why is a mystery, still. The only way to really solve it would be to have each H/R-fan explain his or her reason for disliking Hotch/Prentiss and, yeah, THAT has Wank-fest written all over it. Pass. Pass to the power of pass, as a matter of fact. Wank is bad. It's better to just scroll on by and avoid the problem, you know?
I'm babbling without a point now. I'll shut up. ;)
I do it all the time, hon, all the time. ^^
DragonLady
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:16 am (UTC)I also believe the thing about Hotch and women as well. I dont know what it is, I definitly suspects it goes back to his mother and was exacerbated by his ex-wife but he is much more touchy with his male teammates than his female, which might have been why Prentiss said he trusts men more than women in Revelations. A touch between Hotch and Garcia would have been nice, but his thanks and sincerity were enough to make it a moment.
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:26 am (UTC)I've never thought he trusted the women on his team any less than the men, insofar as their jobs were concerned (which is how I always took Prentiss' statement), but on a personal level, I can see that--maybe wanting to keep more distant to protect himself, whether that be personal or professional (in the workplace, men who are honorable like Hotch would tend not to do anything that even might have the slightest possibility of be interpreted the wrong way by a woman). I do think being married to your high school sweetheart only to have her cheat on you and try to take away what matters to you probably made his relationships with women more difficult, which was something he more than likely struggled with anyway after having a mother who didn't protect him from abuse (implied, of course, but that's how I took it.)
Anyway, I am totally just abbling now. Ignore me. ;)
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:37 am (UTC)But that could just be me.
And yeah, I was flapping my hand in an "Okay, we get it, come on already" motion during the slomo shots. LOL
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:44 am (UTC)Glad I wasn't the only one doing that! LOL
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Date: 2009-03-26 05:29 am (UTC)I caught myself checking out Rossi's ass on more than one occasion. I'm pretty sure that you and innerslytherin are about 95% responsible for this.
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Date: 2009-03-26 02:20 pm (UTC)And YAY! I (and I'm pretty sure Innerslytherin) will GLADLY take the blame for making more people perv over Rossi. :D
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Date: 2009-03-26 03:55 pm (UTC)JJ looked at me like I've lost my frakking mind when I said that
BUT I CAN SEE IT NOW.
I CAN GET BEHIND THIS.
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Date: 2009-03-26 04:01 pm (UTC)But we have Garcia/Rossi to be posted verreh soon! :P
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Date: 2009-03-26 04:05 pm (UTC)garcia is one of the most obviously sexual characters on the show, if only for her banter with morgan
and yet
she gets easily the least amount of sex out of the entire fandom.
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Date: 2009-03-26 04:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-26 04:09 pm (UTC)poor penelope.
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Date: 2009-03-27 10:03 pm (UTC)Hotch really does tend to react more strongly to fire episodes. I'd like to think there's a reason, because it's been consistent, but I wonder if there is, and if we'll ever know it.
I wonder how many times Hotch visited burns units after Boston?
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Date: 2009-03-27 10:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-03-29 01:43 am (UTC)*shudders* Mine too. Well, fire, suffocation, and drowning, but they're all pretty much tied. The fire eps get me every time (though, I the beginning scene in this one was in some ways worse than the one in 'Ashes and Dust' - the little kid and the three young teenagers did it for me).
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Date: 2009-03-29 01:49 am (UTC)DUDE, I was JUST saying that after the episode at Innerslytherin's journal" http://innerslytherin.livejournal.com/968787.html?thread=5656147#t5656147
And I think part of why Ashes to Dust was so awful at the start was the way the music just hightened it. The other is that it was all focused on the one family, and you see them suffocating as they tried to escape. The general panic in the beginning of House on Fire distracted me from what was actually happening to them other than running around, I think.
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Date: 2009-04-03 12:51 am (UTC)*shutting up now*