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I haven't read (until now) or participated in any of the "was or wasn't Hotch raped" debates, but I have heard about this sort of opinion before: some people seem to want this storyline WAY too much. And that makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

I haven't made up my mind one way or the other whether I think that's what happened, and I would be fine either way, but the "that storyline would just be SO-OMG-AWESOME" comments sort of make me feel queasy. I hadn't read them until it came up in my journal. You know, it's my journal, and I really sort of don't want to hear "OMG I HOPE HOTCH GOT RAPED". I really, REALLY don't. Do I think that storyline might be compelling? Sure. Do I think it makes sense and could have very well happened? Sure, if it's played right. Am I practically pissing my pants with joy at the idea that Hotch might have been brutally (as if there is any other kind of sexual assualt) raped at his weakest moment by the man he most wants to catch, and that he'll probably be scarred for life? No, and I think it's sort of a disgusting way to think.

Sorry if any of you all feel that way. I haven't read any reaction posts because I haven't made up my mind, so I might be pissing some of my flist off. But whatever. It's how I feel. I don't want to listen to squeefull discussion about rape, tyvm.

I am leaving this unlocked, but if anyone decides they want to argue that this sort of squee is acceptable, I may not reply, as I will probably get more disgusted. I hold nothing against the people who have left those comments mentioned. It's their opinion, and they're welcome to it. I just happen to find it all distasteful. If anyone decides it's acceptable to find these comments in my journal that I mentioned and start wank, however, IT'S NOT, and I may unfriend/ban people over it. You're warned.

Date: 2009-10-03 01:55 pm (UTC)
ext_2454: (Criminal Minds: Reid not amused)
From: [identity profile] ninasis.livejournal.com
Amen! "It would be fodder for SO MUCH good fic!" I read that a couple of days ago and wanted to reach thru the screen and punch the OP in the face. (This is why I'm not a member of any fic comms anymore. LOL)

The violation of Hotch's body with Foyet's knife with Foyet's running commentary and totally skeevy body language and peacocking is more than enough of a "rape" than anyone should need. Do I personally think that Foyet sexually raped Hotch after stabbing him? No, I don't. I think that stabbing him and making sure Hotch knew that Foyet was completely in control of Hotch's future was Foyet's way of victimizing Hotch, and implying that Haley and Jack were next on his list was the icing on his nasty cake.

The fact that this is all women squeeing and HOPING that Hotch was, well I'll just borrow Whoopie's dumbass term here, rape-raped just makes me completely ill.

Date: 2009-10-03 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] severity-softly.livejournal.com
I know! Seriously, WOMEN saying "yay rape!" Not that anyone should say that, but you know...

I agree on Foyet getting all he needed from what we KNOW he did, but he did make that comment about impotency. I'm not sure that makes sense if he didn't do SOMETHING. I originally thought he emasculated Hotch, but I'm still waffling on the whole thing.

Date: 2009-10-03 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ubervirgin.livejournal.com
I think the point of him mentioning impotency is that he is basically saying to Hotch, "You all think that only impotent men stab people but my penis works and I'm going to stab you a whole bunch."

I don't think that Foyet would rape Hotch in order to break him down, I think it is entirely possible that he would rape someone Hotch is close to in order to break Hotch.

Foyet, to quote a Buffy villain, "goes for the hurt instead of the kill," at least when it comes to breaking an intended victim down.

I'm torn on whether I think Hotch being raped would be a good story line. I know that grown men get raped, but we already learned in the first season that Hotch was abused as a child (they never say sexually, they lead you to believe that is was non-sexual physical abuse. I also think it would be way to difficult to manage raping someone while trying to stab them in non-fatal areas. I think attempting to do so would give the victim a moment of opportunity that would lead to them taking charge of the situation.

And you just know that if Hotch found a moment of opportunity, the team would have found Foyet's body in the apartment and then taken Hotch to the hospital.

The writers of the show tend to really like abusing Hotch, Reid, and to a lesser extent Morgan.

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